Knight: Maybe we also need an open source campaign for renewals, so we not only use agents belonging to these giant companies and transfer data into the data. Use open source code and models and stuff like that.
Michael Calore: This is a good idea. We should signal this. They should start doing this. They should make their own models.
Lauren Goode: I think this sounds great.
Michael Calore: OK, let’s take a break and we’ll be back soon. Will and Lauren, thank you for the conversation. We will put the AI agent aside for a minute and then get humans again. Let’s talk about some suggestions. Will be our guest, please recommend something to the audience.
Knight: OK, I talked about this before, but I want to make suggestions. I’m going to stick with it, it’s a great radio. This book, that’s The evolution of agents Michael Tomasello. I find this just fascinating and really reveals what AI is missing in terms of agency and the importance of understanding human social interactions, human culture. Everyone is talking about the big picture of AGI’s wisdom, but they don’t talk so much.
Michael Calore: OK Lauren, what are your suggestions?
Lauren Goode: My advice is local news, especially local tasks.
Michael Calore: yeah!
Lauren Goode: Mission Local is a local nonprofit news organization in San Francisco that covers the Mission community but also covers San Francisco extensively. They did a great job. At present, many things happen in American cities, especially Los Angeles and San Francisco. Ice attacks were everywhere in the country and people were taking to the streets to protest them. Mission Local has worked so far, covering what is happening in San Francisco. I recommend you support them and support your local news. Mike, what are your suggestions?
Michael Calore: I want to recommend this issue of Harper’s article. Norwegian writer Karl Ove Knausgaard is Lauren and I’m sure you’re tired of me talking about it. But this is a great article. It is called the “Thor World”. This is Karl Ove’s estimate of technology. He tells you that he first encountered a computer 40 years ago. Then, he didn’t pay attention to the computer at all, which began to bother him. There is a great offer near the top. “It is a responsibility to understand the political situation in the world, people have no right to avoid it. Given the huge impact of IT, does it apply to technology?” I like that quote because it does reach the center of what we are talking about today. In order to interact with the world, you need to understand how these systems work. He went to visit the writer James Bridle on the Greek Islands because of their books Way of existence It is a very good introduction to intelligence and artificial intelligence and natural intelligence. They talk a lot about artificial intelligence and how it develops and how it can emerge in our lives. This is a very exciting report on the current state of technology in our lives.
Lauren Goode: Great.
Michael Calore: Yes.
Lauren Goode: It sounds much shorter than his book.
Michael Calore: Yes. You can read within an hour.
Lauren Goode: OK, it sounds good to me.
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